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- SeamusMcFly
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Capt wrote: The main issue should be what the Casino will bring to Brockton, not the design. They're not spending that kind of money on something ugly. Picky, picky.
I never see people getting upset or holding meetings about adding more drug centers, etc., which to me is very destructive to our city. It adds absolutely nothing to our betterment.
Here we have one of the best things that could ever come our way and were all acting like professional know it all's.
Capt. There is a lot more to "design" than what it looks like. It's also about how it's oriented, how it interacts with the roads, neighbors, etc. You can make the prettiest building ever, and have it FAIL by not being cohesive within the community.
I harp on it being built up to the streets so that it interacts with the existing neighborhood. I want it to benefit the existing businesses, not detract from them.
It also shouldn't be confused with a New school building as mayor carpenter indicated it resembled. It should look like what it is, a resort casino. A stand out destination should, oh I don't know, stand out.
Right now the vote is for a casino or no casino. If yes, and we are awarded the license, we should jot settle for subpar design. Its going to be there either adding the the area or detracting for a long time. 10 mil a year is great, but not so great if it kills the area for the foreseeable future.
Same thing with traffic improvement. No giving in to hysteria and making Belmont more of a dangerous highway than it already is. It doesn't need to be wider, or separated, it just needs calming, better flow thru, and safety upgrades. All are pretty much one and the same.
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m.enterprisenews.com/article/20150413/NEWS/150418753
"Carney said he plans to sell the fairgrounds land if the casino moves forward, though he will remain a minority investor in the project. The details of that potential property transaction are not yet clear.
One alternative to the casino for Carney – if city voters or state officials deny the project – would be a Walmart. The Raynham Park owner was in talks with the global retailer before the Rush Street proposal emerged."
if the Casino isn't there, how do you feel about a Walmart?
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If we all sang the same note in the choir, We'd never have harmony
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we have absolutely no industry....nothing....zilch....and what we do have, is a landscape of fast food, fast retail establishments that suck the dynamic life out a city and a whole host of non-profits that contribute absolutely nothing
....and of course, a high school that gets bomb threats.... and a facebook group where people either want to force 1957 on everyone, or are simply resigning themselves to any desperate measure necessary for revenue
ugh....lol
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At least when people mention Brockton it will be because we finally have something to offer people. It's a far cry better than people saying, "Oh, let's go to Brockton to see the druggies laying around or shooting at each other.
There is no doubt in my mind, my answer is a big yes even if the building is ugly. I'm thinking Ca Ching!
If we all sang the same note in the choir, We'd never have harmony
2/1/1938-5/4/2019
Rest in peace
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what especially irks me is reading how people will conveniently argue that what has happened in one town as it relates to a casino, will happen here
and then of course you got the ones chanting the morality issue
my mind's made up.... we need that casino
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As it stands, I have only seen the site plan at the meeting last Thursday, and it sucked. Hard. I can walk to the site pretty easy from my home, and would like to. I shouldn't have to wade through acres of parking before getting to the building. I should be able to walk right in off the sidewalk. They can still have a covered porte cochere for drop offs and valet, but that doesn't take much space. All other vehicular traffic should be directed out of site, out of mind real fast. Restaurants should be accessible from both street and internally. This shouldn't be built as a mall. That's the casino way, but it doesn't have to be, and we don't have to allow it to be. Someone just might want food or a couple drinks. Walk in walk out. Nothing wrong with that. Many will want to explore a whole heap of options. Easy enough to do.
The big setback setup, creates a vacuum. Where everything gets sucked into the resort complex and nothing outside of that vacuum benefits. It's not part of the city, but another drive thru. You just stay at this particular drive thru for longer.
Build up to the street, and see other developers follow suit and start building on the other hundreds of acres of buildable land along Belmont. So much of that parking we have now is so unnecessary. It actually detracts from business as opposed to helping it. Big setback businesses become destinations only, and not quick stop ins. You have so much traffic going by them, but no one stops on a whim for a store that is 300 feet away.7-11 is really the only thing in the area that makes itself available in this way. The rest are drive thru fast food chains, drive thru gas stations, and then an ever growing sea of parking lots.
CVS killed a prime island by displacing multiple businesses, and then surrounding itself in parking lots that are not the easiest to enter on a whim. What could have been a prime entrance statement development into our downtown area, became another suburban quick hitter, car oriented, piece of garbage. And it brought nothing new to the area. We already had a CVS down the street, and everything available in CVS is pretty much available at the supermarkets right next door.
Our city however is so starved for any business that they just welcome any of that crap in with open arms although it does very little to actually better the city. This proposed complex could do a lot to better the city, but if done wrong, we could be stuck with a vacuum for a very long time. Once its in place, it's hard to make the fixes after the fact. Hell maybe, those two big parking lots out front are place holder for future high rise condos that would frame the entrance, but I highly doubt it, and if they were, people would scream bloody murder anyways.
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Argument Carpenter/Rev. Wiley
Yes - Carpenter
10 million per year in payments to the city of Brockton
• Approximately 1,500 permanent, good-paying jobs with benefitsApproximately 1,400 union construction jobs
• An additional $3 million paid to the city upfront
• A total investment estimated at $650 million (cq)
Consider the impact that $10 million or more of annual revenue would provide for Brockton’s residents. We could provide real property tax relief for both residents and businesses; we could increase spending on public safety to ensure we have enough well-equipped police officers and firefighters across all of our neighborhoods; and we could alleviate the effects of several years of multi-million dollars cuts to the school budget while restoring much-needed programs for our children, such as middle school sports.
No- Rev. Wiley
Why say “no” to a casino in Brockton? There are hundreds of reasons.
Here are three:
Location, location, location: Siting a casino directly across the street from Brockton High School seems like a colossally bad idea except to casino developers. Frank Fahrenkopf, retired CEO of the American Gaming Association, wrote in 2013 that young adults are “the very people with whom the future of our business lies.” (cq) Is Brockton High School an intended target for this development? What kind of city leaders would promote that?
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Kids can't gamble until 18, and can't casino gamble until they're 21.
Some seniors are 18. Heck, some juniors are 18. These are adults or soon to be adults.
Casino gambling is now legal in this state.
Why should we hide something from kids that is legal.?
HiDing things or naming them taboo are sure ways to make kids want to partake.
Use the time and location to provide education to kids about the pros and cons of gaming. Then let them make their own decisions when they are old enough.
Why We treAt BHS as If its a preschool full of 5 year old's is beyond me.
Why is it immoral to partake in something deemed legal in this state. Smoking is dangerous yet legal. People know that, and the number of New smokers continues to drop. Drinking can be dangerous, but you wouldn't know it from the proliferation of liquor stores and bars in town.
No one has provided an actual compelling argument as to why the location is So bad being across from the high school. There's just this assumption that we must all just recognize how bad of an idea that is, when I cannot see why. Is it just me?
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The more I listen to people the more I'm beginning to believe there are fewer independent rational thinkers left I the world.
Someone commented that the West side of Brockton, being the only neighborhood left in tact will become a seething ghetto if the Casino was built. I believe they said the same thing about the Foxy Lady too.
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anyway, i'm paraphrasing, but whoever it was said that if the people opposing the casino and power plant were alive at the turn of the 20th century, and wealthy businessmen saw brockton as a strong prospect for shoe factories that would employ hundreds of people, they'd reject the idea with the same lame arguments they're using over on the hub - they're greedy, they're exploiting the poor and middle class, it's evil, etc. blah, effing blah.
so true
so sad the vision they lack, the reality that escapes them and the absurd fantasy they take comfort in- that brockton should be a sleepy little hillside communal town where everyone gets up at the break of dawn, goes to work with their fellow man at the local non-profit, and promptly breaks bread at 6pm feeling safe and sound knowing that cops are walking the beat on main street where it's well lit (and that small section between west elm and pleasant has been made two-way, again); and on saturday nights everyone goes to a park to watch a free movie, or they get pizza at cape cod cafe where they indulge talk about rocky marciano and the strand theater fire, and on sundays everyone goes to church and volunteers to help the homeless drug addicts....
i really wish people would wake the hell up
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I truly believe that businesses will help society, but bottom line, they are created to make money.
Profit is not evil. Today's occupy movements have made it that way and our country will suffer for it.
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People like Neil Bluhm have that money due to taking risks, and succeeding. He develops winning projects.
Why are we so against someone with a super strong track record of building successful developments, building one in our City?
We need big investors to come our way, that's what allows for the smaller guys to fill in between the big boys.
People want Mom & Pop's and coffee shops, and brew pubs.... but who is going o go to them if there's no new bigger businesses full of employees or new residents to fill the neighborhoods they would go in.
I've said it before (in different words), but if downtown was suddenly fully gentrified tomorrow, with lots of young professionals living and working in a true mixed use, dense neighborhood, citizens in this city would love it. But, they are not willing to suffer through the process of getting there. It's a 20-40 year process, but they shoot each stepping stone project down out of hand because, "one project isn't going to save Brockton." Well, no kidding there Sherlock. But a whole bunch of them will. And success begets success. The same way I hope the Enterprise Block brings other developers to downtown, a properly done entertainment complex at the Fairgrounds could start transforming the west side for the better.
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I still think Carpenter and Carney screwed the city with a deal that doesn't include an inflation factor (New bedford has one that kicks in after 5 years.) This makes the NB deal a far better one than what Carpenter agreed to. Carney showed himself to be "tight" with his Raynham slot deal and I think that same stinginess will give NB the Casino lic.
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johnboy00 wrote:
I still think Carpenter and Carney screwed the city with a deal that doesn't include an inflation factor (New bedford has one that kicks in after 5 years.) This makes the NB deal a far better one than what Carpenter agreed to. Carney showed himself to be "tight" with his Raynham slot deal and I think that same stinginess will give NB the Casino lic.
This is what makes the process so BS right now though. NB had a chance to see the Brockton agreement prior to finalizing their own and making it public. It's a crooked bid for the license any way you slice it.
I'm glad there is competition, as that leads to better products, but to allow one side to see the others hand first is crazy. Makes it so easy to one up everything.
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